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chillywilly
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| forestbrook wrote: | | markofkane wrote: | The problem is, we have no good lawyers on this board.  |
I really think one of the leaders/mods here should write up a nice post about this to Slashdot. There definitely are a couple lawyers posting in the comments there and generally as a community they care very very much about (against) DRM. |
Or get the EFF involved. I wonder if they would have an interest in taking on something like this. |
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colivigan
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| forestbrook wrote: | | I really think one of the leaders/mods here should write up a nice post about this to Slashdot. There definitely are a couple lawyers posting in the comments there and generally as a community they care very very much about (against) DRM. |
I took a stab at it. Anonymous Coward, of course.
I've never submitted anything to Slashdot - it'll be interesting to see if they accept it. I'm a little afraid it might be too long, although I didn't see any guidelines on story length.
| Quote: | An anonymous reader writes "Ever since the initial launch of the iTunes Music Store, an intrepid group of programmers over at the Hymn Project have engaged in a marvelous cat-and-mouse game with Apple. Now they're finally being hobbled by Apple's lawyers.
The purpose of the project has always been to provide software that can be used to losslessly remove Digital Rights Management (DRM) protection from music purchased through iTunes, so that the buyer may exercise their right of fair use and play the music on non-Apple devices (Hear Your Music aNywhere).
The software has gone through many incarnations. The original hymn has been succeeded by JHymn, QTFairUse6, MyFairTunes, and others. Regardless of the program, the emphasis has always been squarely on fair use — not piracy. Any discussions of piracy have been strongly and actively discouraged on the site's forums.
For years now, Apple has been content to mostly ignore the Hymn Project. At worst, they would introduce subtle changes to new versions of iTunes that would break the Hymn software. Nobody really knows if this was done intentionally, but it was usually just a matter of time before a new solution was found. This seemed like a reasonable approach for Apple to take. After all, why should they care? The DRM was only in place to placate the record companies. Apple CEO Steve Jobs has even expressed his opinion that all music should be free of DRM.
Well, now things have changed. Recently, a new program called Requiem was announced that appears to be a complete crack of the iTunes DRM scheme. Previous programs had relied on various forms of trickery or memory hooks to access the unencrypted audio data — none had ever completely cracked the encryption algorithms.
Requiem seems to have been the last straw. Earlier this week, the ISP hosting the site received a Cease and Desist order from Apple Legal, demanding that all downloads be removed from the site, and that the site post no links to any programs that could remove DRM from Apple music or video. Reportedly, similar C & D orders were also sent to at least one of the project's developers, and to another ISP where Reqiuem had been hosted. Ironically, Requiem was never actually hosted on the Hymn site — merely mentioned and linked to in one of the forums. Nevertheless, the Hymn Project has now come into the crosshairs of Apple's lawyers and, lacking legal resources, has seen no choice but to comply with the order." |
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forestbrook
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 6:42 pm Post subject: |
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| UncleJohn wrote: | | forestbrook wrote: | | I really think one of the leaders/mods here should write up a nice post about this to Slashdot. There definitely are a couple lawyers posting in the comments there and generally as a community they care very very much about (against) DRM. |
I took a stab at it. Anonymous Coward, of course.
I've never submitted anything to Slashdot - it'll be interesting to see if they accept it. I'm a little afraid it might be too long, although I didn't see any guidelines on story length.
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Awesome. I'll look for it in the Firehose to vote on. Everyone else can too if it shows up there. 
If it gets rejected, someone else should write up another post and submit. We definitely want to get the news of this out there. |
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chillywilly
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I just voted on it. Realized I'd never been a member of slashdot, only read stories there. |
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beetlejuice
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Well, this just really sucks. I would have not bought the huge quantity of music from iTunes that I have, if it weren't for JHymn and QTFairUse. Apple can just go and suck donkey d**ks now, until they get rid of the DRM. I'll do my shopping elsewhere now. |
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markofkane
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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That's odd. Itunes+ songs I bought were 99 cents. Unless they went up in the last couple weeks.
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colivigan
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| markofkane wrote: | | That's odd. Itunes+ songs I bought were 99 cents. Unless they went up in the last couple weeks. |
Doh! That's right, I forgot. They used to be $1.29, then Apple lowered the price for most tracks after Amazon launched. But they still charge 30 cents to upgrade DRM to plus. |
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markofkane
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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Oh, you mean if you bought songs for 99 cents with DRM, you can redownload them all again without DRM for 30 cents each?
I seem to remember that. 
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colivigan
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| markofkane wrote: | | Oh, you mean if you bought songs for 99 cents with DRM, you can redownload them all again without DRM for 30 cents each? |
Yep. But only if the song is now available without DRM. iTunes will automatically check your old purchases for you and offer to upgrade any eligible tracks all at one shot. |
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forestbrook
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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| chillywilly wrote: | | I just voted on it. Realized I'd never been a member of slashdot, only read stories there. |
You saw it in the Firehose? I have yet to see it appear. Did it get rejected?
Edit: I found it.
Go and vote everyone!
http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=536500 |
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chillywilly
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Yep. It's green now. It was blue earlier, which means once it gets to red, it should be posted.
Nice work, forest. |
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markofkane
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Annath
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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I love the enthusiam nexus, but I'd like to point a couple things out: | nexus wrote: | | IFPI and RIAA does the same, and they WILL loose no mather how much they fight against it. You wanna punish 95% of the earths population for something that 5% is doing illegal? How stupid is that! |
Piracy is way more rampant at that. Ask almost any teenager how they get their music and they'll most likely say limewire. | Quote: | | If you wanna fight piracy, then fight the ones that embrace it, the ones that makes it publicly availible, in other words host the piracy. Take down the servers, and things will get better! |
There are no servers. That's why Peer-to-Peer networks irritate them so damn much, because they skip the server process and go computer to computer with no verifiable ways to track it(not that that stops the RIAA).
EDIT: And to chillywilly, just something I'd like to note, | chillywilly wrote: | | In the meantime, I'm joining DrmBytes and others and boycotting the Apple store. My $36 credit on the iTunes store will remain until they decide to go DRM free. There are other legal means to get music, which I will use until Apple pulls it's collective head from it's backside. |
I'd suggest using that. As it stands, that 36$ is pure profit for Apple until you use it and get your merchandise. Also, if you let it expire, Apple keeps that pure profit, which kinda defeats the purpose of the boycott.
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chillywilly
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Annath wrote: | EDIT: And to chillywilly, just something I'd like to note, | chillywilly wrote: | | In the meantime, I'm joining DrmBytes and others and boycotting the Apple store. My $36 credit on the iTunes store will remain until they decide to go DRM free. There are other legal means to get music, which I will use until Apple pulls it's collective head from it's backside. |
I'd suggest using that. As it stands, that 36$ is pure profit for Apple until you use it and get your merchandise. Also, if you let it expire, Apple keeps that pure profit, which kinda defeats the purpose of the boycott. |
That's a good point. I wonder how long that credit stays on there. It's all been from gift cards that I get from doing online surveys. I think I've maybe spent $20 of my own money on the iTunes store total since Dec. 2004.
Thanks for the heads up on that. I'll find out and then if it expires soon, use it and then play the DRM-free waiting game. |
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chillywilly
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| Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Looks like actual cash gift cards do not expire, but the point of that amount just sitting there is still valid. I guess if I used it for movies and TV shows, and not music, there's still a partial boycott going on. Maybe not the full boycott that DrmBytes is doing... |
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